The Well - The Source of Something Greater

Discover how retro video games like Oregon Trail and the NES built a generation’s resilience. Relive the magic of 8-bit...

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Unlock the childhood memories that shaped a generation— from pixelated adventures to arcade classics, this episode dives into the nostalgic world of video games that defined us. Whether you grew up battling dysentery on the Oregon Trail, mastering Mario's raccoon suit, or arcade-hopping with friends, this journey will transport you back to a time when gaming was pure magic and full of surprises.Discover how the first computers, like the Apple IIe, sparked our love for learning and exploration—seriously, Microsurgeon inside the human body? That's both hilarious and horrifying. We break down the early console wars, from Atari and Intellivision to the rise of Nintendo, and how the NES saved the gaming industry from extinction. Plus, hear why games like Mega Man, Contra, and Street Fighter became instant legends, and why Sonic the Hedgehog still makes us smile.You'll learn about the evolution from clunky floppy disks and dot matrix printers to the thrill of online multiplayer in the Xbox era. Stories of unsupervised adventures at beach hotels, wild arcade trips, and the chaos of support for Y2K give a behind-the-scenes look at how these experiences forged our resilience and wit. From nostalgic sound effects of loading screens to epic battles with Mortal Kombat, this episode is a love letter to gaming and childhood resilience.Why does this matter? Because these moments of pixelated peril and high-score victories are the foundation of our creativity, problem-solving, and even our sense of humor. For anyone who grew up racing through adventures with friends, battling pixelated monsters, or building memories in local arcades—this episode will remind you why gaming isn’t just entertainment; it's a lifelong adventure.Tune in if you're ready to relive the glory days of gaming, explore the powerful stories behind iconic titles, and celebrate the resilience of a generation raised on joysticks and high scores. Whether you're a seasoned gamer or just nostalgic for simpler times, there's a story here for you.  Drew and Kat, childhood gaming enthusiasts and tech veterans, share their firsthand stories and insights, shaping a nostalgic narrative that’s perfect for gamers, tech lovers, or anyone who loves a good childhood throwback.Why this works: This episode hooks listeners with the promise of reliving childhood memories, sparking curiosity with vivid anecdotes, and inviting reflection on how gaming shaped resilience and creativity. It appeals directly to nostalgic Gen Xers, millennials, and anyone interested in tech evolution, creating a sense of shared experience that compels them to hit play.


Chapters


00:00 Morning Vibes and Community Shoutouts

02:36 Nostalgic Gaming Memories

05:16 The Impact of Educational Games

07:28 The Evolution of Gaming Consoles

10:21 The Nintendo NES Revolution

12:57 The Joy of Print Shop and Design

15:36 Clippy and the Rise of Virtual Assistants

18:09 The Intellivision Experience

20:45 Favorite Games and Lasting Memories

24:56 Nostalgic Gaming Memories

33:37 The Evolution of Gaming Consoles

42:21 The Impact of Technology on Gaming

47:28 Reflections on Gaming Culture

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Welcome into another episode of The Well. I'm Drew.

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And I'm Kat.

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Welcome.

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Welcome. Welcome to all.

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Welcome to all. Yes. So first things first. Good morning, Miss Katherine.

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Good morning. Good morning. Good morning, dear.

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We we realized we're our best in the morning, which is weird because I'm not typically a morning person, but I am now. Age has a way of making you a morning person.

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We've been getting up so early. It's like, why not? We're fresh, fresh out the bed.

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Officially crossed the chasm of uh I guess elderly now.

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Which is not a bad thing, actually.

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So shout out to all the listeners on a few episodes that have really taken off. And if you haven't, you shout out to the frozen pizza community. So if you're not following, liking and subscribing, make sure you follow, like, and subscribe. Hit the bell. You'll hear all the new updates that when we're publishing, but or posting, I should say. But yeah, shout out to the frozen pizza community as well as the Gen X community. Yo, you you all definitely showed up. You definitely have been showing up. So we appreciate all the uh awesome comments and engagement. The frozen pizza one's wild, though, I gotta say. Yeah, that one's shout out to Stoffer's Frozen Pizza because you created a lot of memories for a lot of people.

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Yeah, and they still engage, even to this day. So I love that. I love when companies engage with their social media followers.

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And and a quick update on on Pizzagate. Have I have not found Stofer's Pizza yet? I haven't been able to find it. I went to two other places, still was unable to find it.

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You know who probably has it?

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Walmart.

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That's really ordered for me.

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I'm not buying frozen pizza from Amazon. Freak, I would. No, it ruins the experience. I have to find it in store.

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Uh-huh. Okay.

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Don't ruin it for me.

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Okay.

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Don't ruin it for me. Whatever you want.

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I don't I I want to go old school. I want to actually go to the store and purchase something. I know that's a foreign con I know. It's a foreign concept these days. So I was I was thinking back, going way back in my time machine, and I started having memories of playing like the first time I started playing video games or had a game on something other than, you know, a board, like a physical board. It was elect something electronic.

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Right.

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And I think I was one of the first, and I don't know why. I think my parents got it for us. They got me and my brother a computer, and it was an Apple IIE. I'll never forget it. It was in my brother's room. I don't even know how my parents afforded something like that, but they got us a computer, and we were like instantly addicted. And the Apple IIE was, I don't know if you remember it. I'll put a picture on the screen.

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No.

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It was like an all-in-one. So it had like the external keyboard, but the screen and and the computer was all one, and then it had the floppy drive. Right. And I'll never forget the games we used to play on that, which just kind of there was a few games that have stuck out in my memory. And I think they've stuck out for you as well.

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I know you you oh yeah, for sure.

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You're a little down the road computer person. But the one that sticks out for me the most that I think I had the most fun playing, which is weird because I am so directionally challenged. Like literally, I get lost coming out of a paper bag was where in the world is Carmen San Diego.

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I love that show. They turned it into a TV show.

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The game was so much fun. I just remember having so much fun playing that game. I don't know why. I don't know why that game was so much fun.

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Do you think it had to do with travel or like going around the world to new things? Like that was what it was for me. Like exploring.

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I don't know what it was.

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I wasn't good at the mystery part, even though I wanted to be.

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I think I so I always liked Clue as a kid. So same.

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Oh yeah.

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I just I think there was and I I think it was just also the visual of it. So I think it was the whole solving of something, right? So you had to solve the crime and you had to go places to solve it. So to me, it was there was a storyline to it. It was engaging. There was a bit of education, right? You were learning. So I I I loved games that you learned from, yet you didn't know you were like it wasn't toted as an educational game per se. Or you didn't see it that way. So I thought that that was really I just I love that game. I love that game. I I'm trying to like I'm visioning it in my head just how bad the graphics were, like if you look back on it. But back then it was color. I was like, oh my gosh. Like, and it would take forever to load each screen, but the anticipation of it.

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Did they ever make a board game out of that?

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I'm sure they did. I think they spun that series off into a lot of things. But they did.

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It was the TV show for me. I didn't know they had the video game, or at least I don't remember it.

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Oh yeah. I had it on my Apple IIe. I mean, we're going way back.

SPEAKER_00

That is. When was the Apple IIe released?

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Wait. The Apple II IIE. I'm curious now. T we come out. Gosh, what would you what would we do in '83? So yeah. I was a young and yeah, you were even born. You were like, what, three?

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I was a baby. No. That was like one.

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Okay.

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Two, three. I'm not going to tell anybody what my birthday was.

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Come on.

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I was a I was a young child.

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But it I remember the computer having just a massive library of games. And I can't remember all the games right now because I don't want to spend all the time on the Apple because it's not something that you had. So I want to make sure that we were talking about common things. But I just remember the experience with that computer. My it was my second experience with computers because this is a fun story. I won't get into it, but you know, I got eviscerated in middle school because my mom was dating. No, my parents had gotten divorced. My mom was dating the most hated teacher in school. So that is not good for your student rep. Street cred, right? In school. So I got just, it was it was a rough time. Middle school was a rough time for me. Ironically enough, he taught computers. So and I'll never forget he taught, I mean, he taught me a lot of things. He was a very interesting, smart man, but very disliked mid school. Ironically, my brother coined, he called him boner. Like literally, that's that was his name.

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Like why?

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That was I don't know. It just, I guess because he was bald, and it's just that's what he called him. So that's what everyone called him.

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Okay.

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So he taught me how to code on a on a Radio Shack TRS 80. He gave me a book and he said, Here, if you code this, you'll make like a spaceship game where you could fly a spaceship using the keyboard. I was like, that was super cool. And I learned I hate I realized at a very young age that I was not cut out to code, but I did learn how to write syntax and all this other stuff at a very young age. And I think the TRS 80 came out after the Apple, but that the Apple IIe was the start of something great for me as a kid that opened up my universe differently than it had in the past. So I want to ask you, what was your first gaming console?

SPEAKER_00

It was so one of my most favorite memories of gaming was the organ trail. That was one of the first games that I ever played because it was at school. We had a computer lab with those really old computers with the keyboard and the floppy disk. And I remember the sound it would make as it loaded up. Like, I'll never forget that sound. And then we couldn't wait for computer lab. Like it could not wait. And then when we got to play organ trail and it was like the green screen, and it's like so archaic, you know, compared to now. But at the time, you're like, this is cutting edge, right? It was so much fun. It was so much fun. So that was that was definitely my first. I think it was my first experience.

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Do you know when Oregon Trail came out?

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Nope.

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1971.

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I was gonna say, isn't it in the 70s?

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Yeah, so but it came really popular in the 80s, so you were spot. And actually, we played that on the Apple IIE. Shout out to Apple for making memories.

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But I'm gonna have to look at what the Apple IIE looked like.

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And because the game's memory brutal, though. Like it was a brutal you all died of dysentery.

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But we both we talked about this the other day. It's like, what was it I was telling you that was some kind of nursery rhyme? It was the other night.

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I was like, this piggy, this little piggy went to market.

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My dad used to tell like do this to my feet when I was a little kid. He'd be like, Oh, you know, uh, this little piggy went to this little piggy, and then the pinky was always oh, and this little piggy went to market or whatever. We, we, we yeah, but the market, I saw this somewhere. The market meant like it was going to get like cut up and sold as bacon. And I was like, Why? We were saying, why did all of our nursery rhymes come from like sinister origins? You know, like ring around the rosy, pocket full of posies. Posies were like flowers for dead people, you know? And I'm like, actually. And actually, the Apple IIe, that I use something similar, a version of that in my computer lab with the old mouse, the corded mouse. Oh my goodness. And the floppy I love the floppy discs, those are awesome.

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Yeah, and and I don't know if you remember, but first I want to continue talking about Oregon Trail.

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But continue.

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So everything was like catastrophic in that game, right? You had dysentery, you had the broken spoken wheels, right? The wheels would break, your character, uh-huh, snake bites, yeah, drowning while getting lost. So it was survival. That game was that that game shaped the Gen X generation and early millennial generation, I feel like well, you know. And no shade, no shade to the I I know I captioned a couple of the things like as Gen X only. So shout out to the early millennials that that have popped into the comments and said, Hey, I remember that stuff too. So no shade. Everyone's welcome in this conversation. But yes, it definitely that organ trail kind of I don't know what the craze was because literally it was just it was a horrible game about horrible things.

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But we never thought about that, which is so interesting. As kids, we didn't think like it was it was not like a scary game. You would think it would be scary, but we thought it was hilarious. Like, you know, we couldn't get through our our you know, whatever winter, we froze to death, you know.

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I know. And if you if you were able to hunt the buffalo, it felt like you were winning the Super Bowl. I don't know if you remember that. Yeah, yeah. Shooting this whole animal, you were like, uh-huh. And it's like great, you get to feed everyone for, you know, it definitely felt like winning.

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It was the best.

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So do you know what do you know what else was so much fun back in the day? Back in the day. Do you remember? So after so my house burnt down, we lost the Apple II E.

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Speaking of Oregon Trail.

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Yeah, speaking of disasters, lost everything. I had a tortured, tortured youth. We we had to get another computer and we got the Apple IIC, which was like portable, which was high tech, right?

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It had a looked like Apple IIC.

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Yeah, had a you could plug in an external monitor.

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It was I think those are the ones that I used in computer lab. Yeah, actually, these were exactly the ones I used.

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So we had that, which wasn't as much fun as the two E. But why it just it just didn't feel as fun.

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Okay.

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I don't know why. I guess because you you know, your first is your first. You always love your first.

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Yeah.

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So Print Shop. Do you remember Print Shop?

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Yes.

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You know, with the dot matrix printer.

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What was the big thing you used to make?

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The banners used to make the happy birthday banner. Oh, yeah. And literally you'd use like a ream of paper, and it would be it would take like you'd have to schedule it. It's kind of like schedule, you know, calling into FedEx or putting in an online order to FedEx. Hey, I need this print, right? You had to send the job to so you know, those dot matrix printers with the the perforated, you know, gosh, what were they called? The reams of paper with the perforations. Yeah, and it had ran around the cog and you'd pull it. Yeah, that was my gosh, that was printing those images and that and Garfield. I remember printing a lot of Garfield. I don't know why, but Garfield seemed to be always a piece of clip art that was always available.

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That's funny. We'd always make the happy birthday signs. So I remember actually my sister started that. She was eight years older than me. So she she would make the birthday signs and bring them home for for birthday parties for us. And then I got the chance to make them. And then later on, when I got older, I'd go to the library and they would have like a printer at the library at school. And shockingly enough, I would print a lot of stuff, kind of like how I do now.

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Yeah, so Catherine Catherine prints the internet, so she is not environmentally friendly.

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I like to have physical printouts of stuff.

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It's it's a problem. She prints almost as much as I. Well, her printing habit is like my sneaker habit. It's excessive.

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So but you have to give context. There's a reason. I mean, normally by myself, I wouldn't print a ton of stuff. The only reason I print a lot of stuff is because I run organizations.

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Damn.

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So back it up.

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Back it up. So polite. But yes, Photoshop. I still remember this. Print shop, print shop. The print shop, I think it was originally called.

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But they had templates, like they had already pre-selected things that you could like I remember a teddy bear, sign balloons, reading cards, balloons.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. I tried to big. Honestly, you know, it's funny. I actually think that was probably one of the first times I was really interested in design. Because you could create these banners. Like I loved the fact that you could create something, you know, and you had the freedom to like we didn't always get to go to computer lab and do stuff like that. It was rare we got to use print shop, but but my gosh, it was so much fun on everyone.

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And you could do some design layout too. Like I feel like that was one of the first things. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't obviously what we have today, but it was a way to create on the computer. Yeah. And I think it opened up a whole new world.

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Whole new world.

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I don't know if we needed that, but we always knew that. But it was your first exposure to clip art, at least mine.

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Ooh, you just triggered something.

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Memory unlocked.

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Memory unlocked. Word clippy. Word dot clippy later on. You remember Clippy, the little paper clip?

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Yes. I was not a fan of Clippy.

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It irritated me. It irritated everybody. That was the one. I was like, get off my screen.

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It wasn't how everyone disliked Clippy.

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But don't you think that was probably one of the first like I would consider that one of the first like chat bots? You know, like the first helper things.

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Yeah, like a virtual assistant.

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Tutorial. Virtual. That was what it was called, a virtual assistant. So it just didn't work well. No, it didn't.

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But I appreciate the gosh. All the God. So yes, when Windows came out, man, what what a game changer Windows was for the I used Word so much.

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I would write creative stories. I don't remember.

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Windows NT. I mean, geez, really. I mean, when I took my MCSE, if anybody remembers that far back, Microsoft's Microsoft certified systems engineer.

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Oh, really?

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I went to get my MCSE certification. Because it was all the rage back then. And I had I had I was so broke that I needed to change careers because I just couldn't I couldn't cook anymore because it was killing me. But uh that was all the rage. So I went to night school, like evening classes and took this MCSE course. Anyway, so that was fun. But going back to video games, so outside of the computer, did you what was your first gaming console? Like what was the first Nintendo? Okay. Yeah.

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So like the original.

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The NES. I mean, there's no substitute for the Nintendo NES, but I want to take it a little further back and then we'll get to the N NES. I want to go progression wise. And this is probably before your time, but the Intellivision for me was so my best friend, we talked about him in an in the other episode, the car episode with the Jeep. He got a Coleco vision. I don't know if you remember ColecoVision, but he got it for Christmas and he invited me. He was so excited. He's like, You gotta come over, we gotta play Coleco. We pulled that thing, oh my gosh, like game changer. Ankey Kong, yeah, like glued. And the controller on ColecoVision was awesome. My dad was an interesting gift giver. He was always very he was an early adopter all the time.

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Yeah, sounds like I get it from. Yeah.

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So instead of Coleco, which me and my brother wanted, he got us an Intellivision, which was totally different. And you couldn't play the same games, but they had a whole slew of other games.

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Yeah.

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So there was like Astro Smash or Asteroids, what was it called? I actually wrote it down because my brain is mushy. Astro Smash, I was right. Okay. Major League Baseball Utopia was awesome. That's because that one was like strategy, and I was really into strategy games. And Dungeons and Dragons on Intellivision, the dragon noise, I'll never forget. You talk about the noise the computer made. And I'll bet you I'll be able to find allergies this morning. It's like pollen fest here in Texas. But the noise the dragon made, I'll never forget that noise. It's kind of like when you were talking about the disc spinning and the computer.

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Yeah, I love that. Yes.

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So that was a great. And then television just had this cool like controller with the keypad, and it had like a joystick and the buttons on the side. So it was very, I don't know. I played that nonstop. And there were two games that really stuck out for me. There was Dracula, where you would run around as Dracula and literally have to attack people. So and you had to do it in a certain amount of time before the sun came up, or you died, and you could turn into a bat. And then there was a game. This game scared me. It was called Microsurgeon. And I'll put it up on the screen when I clip this. But literally, you piloted a tiny yes, you piloted a tiny medical probe inside the human body. You traveled through the bloodstream, the lungs, other organs. And you had to repair infection and damage. And you had to avoid things like bacteria and clots.

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And oh, that's funny.

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This was basically Fantastic Voyage, but the video game. So you I don't know if you remember Fantastic Voyage, where they would shrink, shrink the So that was those games forever, you know, are burned in my brain. But Microsurgeon was frightening. I mean, the graphics, you were literally flying around the body. It was very Rick Morales. Rick Morales.

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Honey, I shrunk the kids.

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Rick Moranis. Like Rick Morales. Who's that? Cat likes to make up people. Oh, that's gonna be a good clip. Let me mark that. Rick Morales.

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I don't even know where I got that name from.

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No one knows. Morales. Shout out to Rick Morales, by the way.

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But I remember the movie Honey I Shrunk the Kids. So it's kind of like a precursor.

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But I do feel like a lot of the a lot of the video games that I guess we kind of started with were educational. There was education.

SPEAKER_00

They still had a ton. Even like when the kids were little, I used still would get CD-rom games for them at like yard sales. People would sell them a dime a dozen, you know, and they loved playing them and they were very educational. Like the little mat I they were fun. What's not to like?

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They were. So I used to, I don't know if you ever did this, but I would schedule my week to go hang out with the friends that had different gaming consoles. So one person would have the Coleco, and then when Coleco kind of went away, actually the first one was Atari, but I never had an Atari.

SPEAKER_00

Um maybe I didn't. Did you ever play it?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

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Yeah.

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All the original, like Pong and Asteroids, and we definitely played. I just don't think I ever had one.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. My brother-in-law has had one. He remembers it very well.

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Yeah, I remember Atari, but in television really kind of stuck out for me more than Atari. And then I I wish I would have gotten I never got the Sega. I really always wanted a Sega Genesis.

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Yeah.

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So I had friends that had the Sega, but back to the NES.

SPEAKER_00

Mm hmm.

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I think that changed gaming for everyone.

SPEAKER_00

I know it did for me. I don't think it's a good idea.

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I think it saved the entire industry. As a whole, like literally a cat the the Nintendo NES, because I feel like Coleco, ColecoVision, and Television, they had their run. Nothing kind of video, nothing catapulted video gaming like the Nintendo NES.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

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Favorite NES game.

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Duck Hunt was always a a favorite for and then, but of course, and I don't know if anybody else would say anything different. And if you do, you're you're just not cool. But just Mario, I mean, was one of the best, the original, you know, like how can you compete with that? Now, granted, there were there were other games that came out that were really, really super fun. But to me, the Mario, it's like your first, you know, the first time you do something. That that was my favorite. I could not, I think I put in so many hours into that game for years. I would always play that no matter what other games came out. And then the the next one that I used to love, funny enough, before I ever was interested in volleyball, was like Kings of the Beach. I think that's what it was called. And it was Beach Volleyball. And a friend of a friend of mine had it. And we I'd go over to her house and she had a Nintendo, and we would we would play it, and I couldn't wait to do that. There was another game that came out that was more of like it's like a treasure hunt, but I can't remember what it was. But yeah, those two games were were some were my favorites when I first started playing.

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Yeah, for me, definitely you all make fun of me for the way I say it, but Mario.

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Mario.

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Mario. Super Mario Brothers was definitely, and then you would get to that point after you were playing for hours. Like your parents would be yelling at you to, you know, get out of the room or go outside or you know, come down for dinner, and you were at a pivotal point.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Uh huh.

SPEAKER_02

Right. And and you had to like controller. You couldn't pause.

SPEAKER_00

No. And you couldn't save that. You could pause.

SPEAKER_02

You could pause. But then someone would always hit the console, turn it off, and you were devastated. You were heartbroken if someone touched that if you were at that pivotal point, because you had to start all over.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah. And it took so long to get to certain points. But they didn't, I don't think they had an automatic save feature yet. No, they didn't.

SPEAKER_02

It didn't because there was no like physical storage. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I remember taking the game out and blowing it.

SPEAKER_02

Blowing on it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

My gosh.

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It would just all of a sudden glitch in the middle of a pivotal part. I remember that more so. So my my big favorite games was Super Mario, Zelda. I mean, you can't you can't really talk about Nintendo without talking about the Legend of Zelda.

SPEAKER_00

Which is funny, I never played.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I loved it. I guess because it was similar to an adventure game and it was kind of open. It was the first of its, and I'm sure the the video gamers will come at me if if I'm getting anything inaccurate. This is just my remembering of it. I'm not fact-checking all of this, but kind of the first open world type game where you just kind of walk around. Also, Mike Tyson's punch out. I played that game really so much. It just cracked me up where you know you were trying to time it, and everyone, you know, was telling you, okay, when when this person does this, hit them like this, and just it was a great game. Mike Tyson, and if you got to Mike Tyson and could beat Mike Tyson, you were you were next level. But I think one of my most favorite games was Contra. I freaking loved Contra.

SPEAKER_00

I don't even know what that is.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my gosh. That because it was co-op. So it was like the first game I remember that you could play together.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

You had two two people.

SPEAKER_00

That was more of an arcade game. That was a I remember this. But it was on the NES. It was on the NES. I'm sure it was.

SPEAKER_02

Metroid. I don't know if you ever played Metroid.

SPEAKER_00

Nope.

SPEAKER_02

And the first so I got a Game Boy, and of course you gotta talk about Tetris, right? Like I didn't play Tetris on the NES a ton, but I played it on my Game Boy nonstop. And I don't know, did you play Excite Bike?

SPEAKER_00

No.

SPEAKER_02

Where you were like on the B on the motorcycle? That was another one.

SPEAKER_00

I'm looking at this. What game was this? What was the race car one? And it always looked like it was in like California. Oh gosh. Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_02

That was a arcade game.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. I gotta look. I see it. I just can't. It doesn't have the name. Pole position. No.

SPEAKER_02

No, that was different.

SPEAKER_00

Let me open it up and see if it shows.

SPEAKER_02

Anyway, well, I'll I'll find it.

SPEAKER_00

I'll find it. But yeah. Anyway, there you go.

SPEAKER_02

Did you play Teenage Beaten Ninja Turtles?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yep. I did.

SPEAKER_02

That was that was a great game on NES too. Because it was another co-op game. So it was always a paint, right? It was amazing how you used to have to share time, right? And and you'd be like, all right, after you die, it's my turn.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Oh yeah. Always. I think there was one called Out Run, where it was you were on a motorcycle, but it's so funny because the motions on the motorcycle were so like packed up. You know, they it wasn't like smooth like it is now and realistic. That's so funny.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, where in the arcade you had the uh bike bicycle handlebars and you would push it forward to pull them back.

SPEAKER_00

Um I love that one.

SPEAKER_02

So the I don't know if you remember the commercial for Paperboy. That was awesome. I don't like back in the day. I'll put it on the screen. But the commercial for Paperboy was a lot of fun. Did you play Mega Man?

SPEAKER_00

No. What's Mega Man? I played uh Final Fight.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but these are these are not NES games. So Castlevania, I'm talking like old Yeah, no, old keyword. Frogger, I'm sure you played.

SPEAKER_00

I didn't play Frogger.

SPEAKER_02

What was your favorite Super Mario game?

SPEAKER_00

It had to be the one with the tail, the raccoon tail.

SPEAKER_02

Super Mario 3.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that was so coveted. People had that game. I never had it.

SPEAKER_02

I think that's the best NES game ever. Honestly.

SPEAKER_00

It was like the one with the most features.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, that just was so much fun because literally Mario turned into the little like flying, what was it? Almost raccoon. Raccoon.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It wasn't a raccoon though, because it was brown and white. But anyway, I just I just remember that game. Literally, you didn't think Super Mario could get any better.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And it got better. And literally all the games to my all the Mario games are great, but that's the greatest of all time.

SPEAKER_00

It was called a Tanookie suit, the base record. Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00

It also do you remember the Super Leaf? Oh, yeah. The leaf the leaf. That was one of my favorite things. That's hilarious. Was Yosha in that one?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It had the egg and all that. Yeah. That's why I liked it, because it had the most stuff. It was like the creme de la creme, the peak of Mario. Yeah, so that was fun.

SPEAKER_02

So you were talking about arcade games.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

So what was your so my friend, and if Jeff, if you're ever listening, shout out to Jeff, one of my best friends. I have a lot of friends. So weirdly enough, I don't know if other people my age have this, but I've had my same friend group for my entire life. And we all talk. No, I'm not trying to rub it in. I just I'm curious if that's weird. Literally, I've had I have the same friends I went to grade school with as I do today. We're all still friends. So even though we're spread out all across the country and have our own lives and families and stuff, we we still talk every day. So my friend Jeff and I always went to the arcade. We were arcade junkies. Like, man, you give us a roll of quarters. And back in the day, I gotta figure out a bit. I feel like I say that too much. Back in the day. Do you remember going to restaurants and they had the video games when you walked in? You'd beg your parents for a quarter. Like you couldn't sit at the table for 10 minutes waiting for your food. You had to go enter be entertained at the arcade.

SPEAKER_00

We never had had that, I don't think. But I would always have my mom would always have birthday parties for me at Pizza Hut. And they had that's where I played all my arcade games. They had multiple arcade games, and we would eat pizza, and that's pretty much all we would do is play arcade games. That's how I knew about like Mortal Kombat and like all these other fun games we used to have. I'm sure I played Frogger too.

SPEAKER_02

So what was the game that you loved to play the most?

SPEAKER_00

Was there one- Did you say Mortal Kombat? I absolutely love that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's the one I've got to call it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

That's what I was saying. I said that already.

SPEAKER_02

You were in the uh Ferrari. I think it was a Testerosa.

SPEAKER_00

Uh yeah. They I played Mortal Kombat and Nintendo had to be my top.

SPEAKER_02

It wasn't a Testerosa. Anyway, go ahead. Mortal Kombat had to be your top two. Mortal Kombat.

SPEAKER_00

Mortal Kombat and Nintendo was my top.

SPEAKER_02

You didn't play Mortal Kombat on in the arcade?

SPEAKER_00

That's where I played it. In the arcade. That's the only place I played it. Nintendo was on the Nintendo NES system. Mortal Kombat was in the arcade at Pizza Hut, and that's pretty much all I played. I loved it. I could I played others, but I didn't find them as exciting. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_02

Were you good at Mortal Kombat? Could you do all the special moves? You could do all the finishing moves. Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I was really good. And I I don't know why. You know, like I've said this before on another episode. Like I went and tried out for the FBI. I feel like all these little things in our childhood really speak to other things that we do later in life. You know, like the Mortal, I was really into karate. Like I didn't go to like I wasn't a karate person, like physically, but I loved it. So I love Mortal Kombat, thinking about the moves, you know, and how to like beat beat them. And then, you know, NES the Super Mario. I mean, it was just what was not to like. So yeah, those were my two two top games I played. Oregon Trail was the other one.

SPEAKER_02

So we we were big into Pac-Man. Donkey Kong was a big one for us. Street Fighter was huge.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, that was the other one I liked. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Just because it was again, you could play against each other.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was huge. I remember loving Dig Dug. I don't know why. I don't know if you remember that, where you dig into the ground and had to like blow up the people. We played a lot of Mortal Kombat as well. Double Dragon. Do you remember Double Dragon?

SPEAKER_00

No, I actually don't.

SPEAKER_02

And Time Crisis. I don't know if I mean that was like the shooting game. That was huge. Time crisis was huge. So I it's funny because we went to the video game museum here in Texas. That was awesome. Yeah. Walking through all the nostalgia. You want to talk about a walk down memory lane. That's a shout out to the Frisco Discovery Center for their video game museum. A lot of fun. And then at the end of the museum, spoiler alert, they have all the old video games you can go and play. So it's really awesome. It was a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun. Gosh, video games. So now I still love the video game. So getting into the future or getting into more of the updated games. I'll never forget when I got my first Xbox.

SPEAKER_00

And I never played Sega. You never did like any other game.

SPEAKER_02

I played Sega. Yeah, yeah. I just never had a Sega. I always wanted a Sega and I always wanted a Dreamcast, but I was at that age where I was just not home. So Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Sonic, I mean, come on. You you can't talk about video games without talking about Sonic. The noise of him eating the rings or hitting the rings. I mean, that's that's a soundbite forever burned in my brain. And Sonic was cool because I mean, Hedgehog, I mean, running around, spinning, jumping, and so it was a fun game. Yeah. I was like Sonic. I had a was it a handheld? No. So I never had the Sega, but I didn't I did, and I'm trying to remember what game.

SPEAKER_00

Or say yeah, we did play that, but my the kids were little, and we played one in particular, and I'm trying to find it. It was something like a haunted house. I have a feeling it was like Goofy or Mickey Mouse in the haunted house or something like that. But that was so much fun. But I didn't really we didn't really stick with Sega for very long. I don't know why. I didn't like it as well.

SPEAKER_02

Sega kind of fizzled out. I mean, it it had its run.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but it that was pretty much it. I mean, I don't remember having it for very long time.

SPEAKER_02

I think because it was so expensive. I think the dream were the Jaguar. Gosh, I'm mixing it all up. But literally, those consoles were, I'm pretty sure they were expensive. So I think that's why it wasn't. And the games were. Yeah. So it it kind of priced a lot of people out of the market.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But so I guess I I was older when I got my first Xbox. And I was it's funny because I was staying at home. I was in between jobs. And at the time when my daughter was born, I was the stay-at-home dad. So when she would go down for a nap, I would play Xbox. And I'll never forget, this was when Xbox Live first started, first hit. And playing online against other people was wild. It was just wild to me. It was just a totally, it was a game-changing experience. But you know, before then, well, we could talk about that on a different episode. We can talk about the evolution of the internet and what we had to go through to get online.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

This was, I mean, I at this point, everyone had at least somewhat of a high-speed connection, higher speed connection available. And man, playing playing online on MechaSault, that was the first game I played on Xbox Live. So that was that was wild. And then Halo came out and that just destroyed the gaming industry for me in the best possible way. It just shattered everything. And for for all the people that started out playing Xbox, if you got that frickin' sword, you were running around the Halo board like crazy, just pillaging and destroying everybody with that stupid frickin' sword. It was so annoying. Oh my goodness. You would just rage quitting, just oh my gosh, all the time. You just could not get away from the guy with the frickin' sword. So true. But video games, I gotta say, like arcades were just magical places. I just you could get lost in the arcade. You really could for hours. Jeff and I would spend hours, man, and we'd spend so much frickin' money. We'd save money to go play at the arcade and waste it. Like what a waste of money.

SPEAKER_00

So not really. It was your entertainment.

SPEAKER_02

It was. And I'll never forget like times were just crazy back then. My parents allowed this. So me and my friends decided to go to Wildwood, New Jersey. Now we grew up in Philly. Wildwood was a couple hours away by ourselves at 14 or 15. We took a bus, literally took a bus state. I don't even know how this happened. We got a hotel room. I I am not lying about any of this. This is all truth. We got a hotel room, teen young teenagers in a hotel room on the beach by ourselves, no parental supervision whatsoever. For like four days.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's an arc crazy, I think.

SPEAKER_02

There was an arcade. We were 14. There was an arcade right next to the hotel. So Jeff and I literally spent when we weren't trying to like pick up girls for whatever reason. And that was that was the big thing at night. We were at the arcade. Because, you know, arcades really were chick magnets back in the day. That was a joke. So I just, you know, I think back, like we would never let a 14-year-old do that today.

SPEAKER_00

No.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not sending them to you know, a couple hours away.

SPEAKER_00

So I mean, I'm sure people still would, but not no, I'm not doing that.

SPEAKER_02

Unsupervised with no parental supervision whatsoever? Yeah. That was that was crazy.

SPEAKER_00

Did you play games?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I told you. We went to um I'm kidding. The arcade.

SPEAKER_00

Have you ever okay? I have a question. So did you ever did you ever see like those gaming competitions like back in the eighties? You know, they're gonna be able to get it. Yeah, they still have them. No, I know. They're just more like advanced now. But back in the day, like what was that movie called? Wasn't there a movie in the eighties about games? Oh, there was, there was. And I think that really kind of made me think, Oh, I would love to do something like that. It was about the kid that played the arcade game and he was really good. Who was that? Anyway, I loved like uh the thought of a gaming competition.

SPEAKER_02

Three before The Wizard.

SPEAKER_00

The Wizard! Yes, I love that movie. We gotta watch that movie again. I love that movie. Totally writing that down. We're watching that tonight.

SPEAKER_02

And it was because they competed in Nintendo video games.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, I think that's why I liked it so much. But that was did Disney make that, does it say?

SPEAKER_01

I don't think it was someone else.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Fred Savage.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's who it was. That was such a great movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That and you know, Tron too, talking about like you know, it's funny and I didn't know anything about it.

SPEAKER_00

I didn't know anything about Tron growing up.

SPEAKER_02

The Tron game was awesome because of the bikes, but like the light bikes put you again, you you were you went into like shock when we rode that at Disney World.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

You remember the Tron ride?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I try not to. It was very traumatic. And every time I someone talks about going to Disney, so growing up, my parents never took us to Disney. All my friends went as kids, you know, and I always wanted to go, but my parents never took me. They just didn't want to spend the money on it. I guess.

SPEAKER_02

Didn't you live in Florida too?

SPEAKER_00

Huh? What?

SPEAKER_02

Did you live in Florida or your parents lived in Florida?

SPEAKER_00

No, but that wasn't until I was like in my 20s.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

My dad had a job there. So we could have gone then, but even then I didn't have any money to go. Yeah, but we finally went like a couple years ago as a family. I never I have realized so much about myself the past three years. I never realized how deathly afraid I am of uh uh roller coasters. I'm afraid of heights to a certain extent, but not like deathly afraid. I'm like, I got on the Tron ride and I thought I was gonna get decapitated. I closed my eyes, I thought I was gonna have a heart attack. Then I got on Guardians of the Galaxy, and that was which was amazing.

SPEAKER_02

Best ride at Disney outside of the what was it, the Aerosmith roller coaster, which was awesome.

SPEAKER_00

The rock and roll one.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that that one was really good because it was all like in the world. I didn't like any of it.

SPEAKER_00

To be to be brutally honest, no, I did not like them. Well, that was the first time I ever had feel felt nauseous after a ride. And I'm very adventurous. So for me not to like, I just thought I was literally gonna die. So it was so bad.

SPEAKER_02

I love roller coasters. Love, love, love.

SPEAKER_00

You and Travis did great. I mean, even Becca was great at it. She didn't she was just like, okay, whatever.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. But those, um, yeah, I lost my train of thought. We were talking about something that's oh, Tron. Yeah. So yes, Tron, the the light bikes were that that kind of it was just a very cool visual. There was just like awesome visuals with that. So and anything that was a movie that they turned into a game was interesting if it was executed well. A lot of them weren't, but that that I feel like definitely kind of hit the mark in some spots. Did you watch the movie Hackers too back in '95?

SPEAKER_00

One of my favorite movies ever back in the day. I just thought that was like I was like, these people are so cool. And Angelina Joe Lee was just like, I was like, I want to be her. She's super cool. It was it was a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_02

Video games. Who who would have thought it they would have created as memory, as many memories as they did? And I and I I guess every generation goes through this evolution of change, but I feel like our generation saw some of the biggest technological advances. I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying that, but flamed. But think about it. Through the birth of the internet, the birth of the cell phone, right? Even just those two like literally changed the way we live forever. Forever. You will never go back. And I just, you know, the internet was the end of the world. You remember like everyone's like it'll be the death of the world.

SPEAKER_01

Y2K.

SPEAKER_02

Y2K. I'm never forget working over. I was on call for Y2K because I was working for like a technology company at that point. And our job, my job was I serviced and supported small banks. And back in the day, they were called Mac machines in Philly, money access centers, money access something. And Y2K was going to take out all the ATMs. So that and then the Melissa virus was going around, which was a huge deal.

SPEAKER_00

I don't remember that.

SPEAKER_02

For all my IT nerds, they'll know exactly what I'm talking about. So not only were you combating Y2K panic, the Melissa virus.

SPEAKER_00

What do you call Melissa?

SPEAKER_02

I forget. I actually forget.

SPEAKER_00

Someone had a bad girlfriend.

SPEAKER_02

I just the the name of that virus sticks out in my head. So we were supporting those. And I also worked for the government at that point, like state and local government. And Y2K was a big deal because all their systems were mainframe based and old. So it was wild. Those were wild times. The wild, wild, the wild west of growing up in The early stages of technology was something different. Especially if this will be a funny, maybe I'll do this episode by myself because I don't want to bore you, but I'll tell one quick story.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you. No, I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_02

So there was these main, there were the computer rooms back in the day. They still have them. And literally they were raised floors and they were temperature controlled. And there was always like one or two people that would run these computer centers or computer rooms. And I my job, I had to change the tape, the backup tape. Every day I had to go in and change the backup tape for a bunch of different clients. And then I would have to take those tapes off-site, drop them to like Iron Mountain or something. And there was one particular client I had where it was a guy. He would sit in the computer room all day, right? That was his thing, monitor the screens and stuff.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_02

And he used to store his McDonald's in the floor. He would buy like a bunch of burgers and it was so cold in there. I was like, this is so nasty. But this is like this was his thing. He would store like a bag of burgers, McDonald's burgers, in the floor of the race. Yeah, but it was cold.

SPEAKER_00

It was just I'll eat a cold burger. I don't care.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you're savage like that.

SPEAKER_00

I also drank cold coffee and two-day old coffee.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, like straight out the fridge.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I have no qualms of qualms about that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you were a survivalist.

SPEAKER_00

Oregon Trail trained me well.

SPEAKER_02

All right. I'd die of dysentery if I had to drink cold two-day old coffee.

SPEAKER_00

I would suck the venom venom out of my snake bite.

SPEAKER_02

Oh gosh, isn't that what you had to do?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Didn't you have to in the game?

SPEAKER_02

This is why we were built different, I'll tell you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. All of our childhood Narshi rhymes were about death. Trauma. We grew up in trauma. And our video game was about death and dying. I mean, it is kind of crazy, don't you think? Like that's so weird.

SPEAKER_02

I think it's why we're so sarcastic and just snappy and witty.

SPEAKER_00

I guess. I think I feel like our generation has- Why are we not more depressed as a generation like our generation, you know, based on all the things?

SPEAKER_02

You had to survive since day one. I mean, you were literally surviving.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. There there was no participation awards back then.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, true. So actually, no, there were. I got some.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you then that's because you're from the sound. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

I'm kidding. No, there were lots of great. Huh?

SPEAKER_02

If you're not first, you're last.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_02

That's a movie reference. I know you wouldn't get it.

SPEAKER_00

Of course not.

SPEAKER_02

Talladay good nights, baby. Talladay good nights. Shake a bake. Shake and bake.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

So And on that note.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

On that note. This has been a fun ride. Talking about this stuff definitely puts a positive spin on the day. It's been a fun ride. No pun in the full point.

SPEAKER_00

Another reason why we do these in the morning now, because it is so fun.

SPEAKER_02

It starts the day, right?

SPEAKER_00

It slingshots you into the day with sunshine.

SPEAKER_02

And now we're going to hop in the Ferrari and go outrun, you know, immersive driving, you know, with that vibey music and scenery.

SPEAKER_00

Seriously though.

SPEAKER_02

I really do want to go. Yeah, you gotta go dye your hair.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I want to go play video games now. Like I really do. We gotta go. Let's go.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

What video game are we gonna play?

SPEAKER_00

Who cares? Let's just go.

unknown

All right.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

We're gonna have to talk about the future. We'll have to do a part two of this because I feel like I have more to talk about.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

And on that note, not today. This was a great episode. Thank thanks for all the support listening, and hopefully you enjoyed this as much as we did.

SPEAKER_00

And let us know about your experiences with video games. We want to use it.

SPEAKER_02

Let us know what your favorite video game was.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And favorite video game console or favorite computer video game or just something. Let us know something.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Along those lines.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Something. Or correct us if we if we quoted something incorrectly about a game.

SPEAKER_02

Well, thanks for tuning in to the Wells nostalgic video game episode. So this is another source of nostalgia. Source of nostalgia. Yeah. We're really loving the nostalgia stuff.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So thank you for listening and tuning in to another episode of The Well. I'm Drew. Yes.

SPEAKER_00

And I'm Kat.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. We'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_00

Have a great day. Bye.

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